Roses are quite difficult to ID correctly, especially once they've become overgrown like this, because there are literally thousands of varieties. I'd take a guess they're climbers, particularly the one in the first picture, but there are other factors which might help decide. A clear picture of a flower, showing the number and shape of petals, whether the flowers are held in clusters or individually per stem, whether they repeat flower or produce flowers in one flush per year, whether they are fragrant, whether they produce hips and what they look like, the size and number of thorns on the stems, as well as overall growth habit.
They both look a bit of a mess at the moment, so it looks as if a good prune is necessary - you should start by removing dead wood and stems, anything which is infected or unhealthy, anything thin and weak, any stems which cross and rub each other, along with anything that is clearly a sucker; if the plant is still overcrowded, then it may be necessary to remove more stems, but if not, then prune back healthy stems to a strong, outward facing bud, fertilize in late spring and, if possible, mulch with composted animal manure, and see how they develop this year.